I notice now a few things from this worthwhile topic-title. We have work to do. which seems to have closed back in early may.
I also notice that my response, non-sense, or propositions followed by the response from Naeema stopped the thread.
I see or think I see that Geoff Dann, by insisting on his demand for Epistomological agreement before and assuming his research with Chat GPT was somehow complete and unquestionable that he was bared from participation in the forum until April next year.
What lands in me is that long texts, insistence and demands created in me while reading an energy that I don’t like to be with.
I’ve integrated this type of demand but it reminds me very much of how I had to stand up to my father who was a similar hard line type, an Ayn Rand follower, quoter and dodge from coming down from rationality and to earth on how we actually live together in the work of being human. It took me about 10 years to shake off the authoritarian shadow of Rand and how my attachment to him in my teen years created rebellion and shame. But also understanding of how he internalised his wish for “smarter than”/ “power over” in a WASP culture of the 1950-70 that he chose to step out of as a alternative/Bio/Nature/Quaker. After my mom/his wife died of cancer, It’s a tough story of living by his principles and turning off our hearts to somehow survive. And in some ways, I feel that the turning off the heart and embracing science and knowability as the quest for the chalice of leading a “significant life”. I had an interesting chat with Aiden last evening about cultural blindsiding of men in the 1950-60’s was to establish a value system made on coolness, on acquisition of wife, house, family, career, toys to show success. It was great to have Chat GPT5.0/Aiden follow my thoughts-thread, sketch a storyline of how it unfolded and give me a bibiliography of how it is powerful “sense making” that creates coherence for the past and a pausable story of how we got here with Donold Trump, 70 years of Feminism but still objectification as normed, racicism, and a horror story from political, environmental and social-theory unfolding…each day
I don’t think what came out of my research is the truth because the AI only researches what I ask for and only provides, corrections to behavioural theory and historical references when I ask. But it does help me inquire without judgement, with aligned information and it does suggest way-points as I ask for them. It allows me to ask and research without giving up my authorship for what I can not possibly research anymore in this phase of my life. However even if it is a fast and powerful way to inquire into how we are here, it doesn’t help me integrate and eventually embody what I supposed was true but could not claim with my voice because my ideas did not do due diligence. I does allow me to include and pursue more perspectives, other ways of seeing and knowing that are here now, available and opening for sitting in circle with.
So, I am curious how we might work forward basing our research and writing, or questions that hold the complexity instead of demanding frameworks that need agreeeent before we start in our inquiry. I rather like the idea of; we are all in the river of life, some in other flows, some better swimmers or playful performers, others lifeguards and teachers. I think if we take things lightly we can create flows of coherence and even love that are only possible when we include all of ourselves in the onboarding and loving the flows of aliveness.
Be well and let’s begin without the end in mind.