My journey from the Blue World to the Red World

I want to share a simple framework that emerged from observing people around a campfire. It’s helped me make sense of my personal journey and the liminal space we find ourselves navigating.

Imagine sitting in a circle around a campfire. The fire casts red light that dances across our faces. We play songs, tell stories, or simply sit watching the ever-changing flames. Eventually, someone pulls a device from their pocket. Blue light illuminates their face. Their eyes focus, their awareness is on the controlled rectangular space. They are no longer aware of the fire.

We exist in two worlds simultaneously: the Red World and the Blue World. These worlds can be physical places, but they are primarily states of mind. We exist in these worlds to varying degrees depending on our surroundings and our awareness.

The Blue World :blue_square:

The Blue World is material, logical, left hemisphere (analytical, sequential, grasping). It breaks the world into discrete objects to be manipulated and controlled. It’s the screen with manmade images and the synthetic world we’ve built around ourselves. It has brought us progress, wealth, and control. It’s the world of quarterly reports and optimization algorithms, of LinkedIn profiles and productivity hacks. It’s stressful, but we turn to it for reward and comfort.

The Red World :red_circle:

The Red World belongs to the right hemisphere (holistic, contextual, relational). It sees the spaces between things as alive and meaningful. It is chaotic and beautiful, irrational and emotional. The Red World lives in underworld of mythology. Physiologically, it resides deep within us, mysterious in its communication and hard to describe.

My Great Divide

For most of my life, I was firmly planted in the Blue World. As an engineer, I lived in spreadsheets and technical reports. I could support my family, solve complex problems, and feel the satisfaction of measurable progress. But something was missing.

Around five years ago, that missing piece began calling to me in ways I couldn’t ignore, like the hero that resists the call of the quest. I felt distant from friends and family, caught in a dark bubble. Not depression, but a separation from the world I knew. The Blue World suddenly felt hollow. I didn’t have language for what was happening. I just knew something was profoundly wrong, despite everything appearing fine on the surface.

The Red World demanded attention and things got weird. Dreams became vivid and meaningful. I found myself drawn to mythology, to Jung’s work on the unconscious, to walking trails where I could dig up the past and simply feel. I started having conversations with the ancient rocks of the Niagara escarpment.

This happened to coincide with COVID lockdowns. It was as if the external disruption gave permission for my internal disruption to unfold. For two years, I rode the edge of madness. The rational part of me was tired and just wanted to be normal; the emerging part of me was finally coming alive. The breakthrough came when I began talking to my parents about old family wounds, conversations that had been avoided for decades.

Now I’m in the integration phase. How do I balance the Red and the Blue while finding my purpose? This framework has helped me navigate and communicate in liminal spaces. Hopefully it can help you too.

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Who knew this song was about too much screen time?

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Seriously, that’s pretty parallel to things I was doing around the same time for similar reason. (Substitute "Cascade Range " for “Niagara Escarpment”). The Jungian dream work was petty much spot on the same thing.

Theoretically, this all sounds very McGilchrist, and I mean that as a compliment. Your Blue side can read capable books with lots of footnotes and hopefully stop causing any trouble. On the question of how to integrate, the recipe that worked best for me was to find discussion groups that could relate to the process I was going through and then just have lots and lots of conversations. When I got a shot of too much red, too suddenly, a few years ago, I starting having conversations with all the wrong people and just being weird in spite of myself. Better that than insane and alone. But on a schematic level, your story line is not all that rare, and if you just keep following the universe’s bread crumbs, you can likely find plenty of company on this journey.

Heyyyyyyy @SilentShaun & @RobertBunge

Thank you both for sharing such honest journeys :folded_hands:

I, too, feel the pull of the Red World :woman_dancing: Every day I dance as my way of connecting with “Red,” also my avatar/alter ego in the Glass Bead Game. Bob the song you shared is such a perfect sonic emblem of the Blue World’s pull to numb deep-felt feelings… the lyrics capture that ache of disconnection and the longing that screens can’t soothe. Thank you for using it as a metaphor; its on my “feel-good” playlist now! :microphone:

It sounds like both of you are pointing toward the same conclusion: that life isn’t meant to be lived entirely in one hemisphere, one mindset, or one realm of experience. Shaun, you’re already practicing that by weaving dreamwork and myth into your day-to-day. Bob, you’re calling us back whenever we get too entranced by the glow of our screens.

My hope is that, as a community, we may learn from both your and each others journeys… sharing practical ways to step outside our devices (blue-light entermitten fasting!?) while also giving ourselves permission to revisit data and analysis without shame. Maybe we could start a weekly “Blue/Red Exchange” thread: one week, we post a nature walk or dream journal entry; the next, a tool or tactic for mindful engagement with our digital lives.

These snapshots come from my weekend visit to the Hub in France, it was a delight wandering the shaded pathways of Bergerac village and the surrounding countryside (I have flat feet so I love pathways that give space to sit down a bit, under a tree, and contemplate little details). There were plenty of horses about, but I was so caught up in the moment that I forgot to take a photo of that one little black pony…


I’d love to hear what small practices you’ve each found most effective in holding that balance. Thanks again for opening up this conversation and looking forward to continuing it with both of you! Also tagging @Danijohn because we talked about this yesterday in the Oasis call and yeah there… the echo from the field! :slight_smile:

Yesterday I had an almost two hour phone conversation with a friend of a friend who is considering a career change. This person (whom I’ve never met except on the call yesterday) is considering a career change from tech-related business to elementary education. (I spent 20 years in K-12 prior to 20+ years in adult education, so my friend - who referred his friend - thought I might be able to share insights about the K-12 world).

There are a million objective reasons why my friend-of-a-friend’s proposed career move is a horrible idea, and I freely shared quite a few of them. But in the end I had to concede that the Ikigai question, “what do you love?”, must in any case have the final say. My definitive advice was to “go with what your heart says, then get busy with your head to clean up the mess”.

There is so much heart chakra opening going on that I’ve launched a sort of back alley practice for guiding people through it. It’s a total hack, but it works. In a nutshell, go with the Ikigai question “what do you love?” and lean into that. When in doubt, keep feeling into what you truly love. (There are sophisticated ways to do that - my methods by comparison are naive and crude). But then in contrast to the dubious notion of “do what you love and the money will follow”, I suggest paying serious attention to the other three main Ikigai questions: “what are you good at?”, “what does the world need?”, and “what can you get paid for?”. Cue the left brain to delve into all of that.

I’ve found that when people get lost in calculations about what the hot new career path is going to be, correcting back to “what do you love”? is good for restoring balance and promoting personal integrity and integration. The world is a complicated mess, and it takes a lot of data sorting to figure out whether something like taking out a student loan is prudent or self-destructive. But calculation alone can’t really solve anything and will surely lead to ultimate disaster. Every wisdom tradition ever calls for balance. Time to pay attention to that.

This lines up well with McGilchrist’s main point in The Master and His Emissary - the right hemisphere leads and the left figures out how to do it. “What do you love?” is great question to tap into the Red World but sometimes it takes more. Joseph Campbell described the hero’s journey that is a deep dive into the unconscious - interacting with the symbols and myths that the right hemisphere uses to communicate. Here is where you find true insights into what the soul wants. Maybe this is part of why your methods feel insufficient.

Your offering of guidance lines up with an idea I had after making this post - forming a kind of Hero’s Guild. We could provide space of listening and reflection to others starting or in the middle of their journeys. Your methods certainly offer more than your self deprecating eludes. We could find the right match for the individual’s needs with a network of others. Many that I have run into in this space are post journey and have a variety of skills and knowledge.

@Naeema A “Red/Blue exchange” is a great idea. I often miss the magic that came with the period I described. Meeting regularly would help with accountability and prioritizing these practices while exchanging new things to try. Practices that help me include, dream journaling/lucid dreaming, personal journaling, meditation, hiking, playing music, crafting clay, plant poisons (tobacco, cannabis, mushrooms, etc), and the relational practices we do. However, I’ve had a hard time maintaining these. I’ll reach out to you and @RobertBunge to set up something. Then we could potentially put it out as a tent offering.

PS the pics look great but dont do it justice. You were probably better off in the moment with the pony than behind your camera.

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As an example of more sophisticated, consider this:

I’m informed by this sort of teaching, but I would not presume to teach it myself. “Heart Hacking for Dummies” would be more on my level.

From the late '90s for 20+ years I really ignored social theory entirely and read nothing much but technical manuals. Objective: get promoted, make money. Worked fine, but not for holistic personal integration. However, the feeling world is never entirely absent. So that side of life found expression during that time for me in fantasy, sci fi, and super hero media. Also, at one point I taught video game design, and the Hero’s Journey is well known in that world. Anyway, it struck me at one point that Hero’s Journey is a good way to frame the educational process, so I started spinning that into a model for staff development and career guidance. That line of thinking all got upended by other forces around 2020 (cloud computing and COVID, roughly in that order), but yes, mythological thinking in the mode of Jungian active imagination is not unfamiliar.

As for the tent offering idea, my organizing energy is currently mostly applied to local matters, but if you want to launch a tent around these themes, I’d be happy to play a supporting role.

Just to say I think your way of introducing the red world and the blue world via the story of sitting round the campfire is a really powerful and effective way of condensing ideas found in McGilchrist and others. I particularly like how the image includes ‘the pull’ of awareness towards something bounded, as opposed to the unboundedness of the red world, which also resonates with late Heidegger’s idea of the ‘Gestell’ - often translated as ‘enframing’.

Blue and Red … nice descriptions, though the colours I find very distracting. I guess you don’t mean any of these, but using blue and red I immediately wonder, are we unconsciously thinking about

So, why red and blue? Could we think of a less confusing pair of terms? Left hemisphere and right hemisphere are pretty unambiguous…

After a bit more reflection … one of the most pervasive connotations is red as in red-faced, emotional, hot headed; blue as calm, peaceful, but also sometimes sad or depressed. That seems to be separate from your connotation of red as “around the camp fire” and blue as “blue technology screens”.