Worldview negotiation and discovery

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I recently watched this presentation by michel bauwens

Here is a interesting part:

- "43:35

43 minutes, 35 seconds

"This is this is the future by the way because with the new media that we have, I can

no longer assume that we come from the same world. Even if we’re born in the same village, we don’t have mass media

anymore, right? We don’t watch the same TV programs. we don’t we don’t listen to the same radio programs. So we we’re

becoming highly differentiated through these social media and the the solution is not of course to make everybody think again the same

that’s not going to work but is is like worldview negotiation and discovery.

This is the way I call multiscale universalism."

How do you, how does lifeitself perceive the problem of - worldview negotiation and discovery?

Do you practice things such as John Vervaeke mentions here?

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My experience is that different people in Second Renaissance/LifeItself have different worldviews. (For a sample of that, just check out numerous threads on this Forum!) That does not imply, however, that contact, overlap, and mutual influence between such different worldviews is impossible. I come here to learn things from other people, and I believe I do!

I follow Michel Bauwens quite a bit, so when time allows I may view the entire video and comment more about it.

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Yeah I noticed that too, when discussing the explainer with David. Did you see the portion of the vervaeke video? Do you practice in any of these calls : The Life Itself Community | Life Itself Collective
Something like that?
I would be interested in that.

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If you take the time to watch the video( no hurry please!) I would like to discuss some points with you, another nice quote from the talk is this one:

"44:27

44 minutes, 27 seconds

"bringing groups together like capital and let’s say

permaculture right let them talk to each other let them understand each other and so what happened when we did that is that 18

months later there were always collective projects combining these groups I can tell you this really works

And it’s so this is something that I really hate in our current culture.

You have to do something you know you has to be productive. What where are the KPI? No. No.

Talk to each other and create the conditions for the for all these projects to emerge

out of that. It really works.“”

- "we need technologies who are the service of the people who do the production and the creation of value

**instead of like staying in this separate sphere and only talking to each other** (looking at lifeitself)

and then saying oh we have this solution please use it I think we we need to turn

that around. So we need to talk to uh eco villages, permaculture and we need to ask them what do you need

to scale to to do better to get more social and political power. So this is the kind of reversal that we have in mind."

Really interesting how he frames usefulness here.

lets zoom in on this: "we need to ask them what do you need

to scale to to do better to get more social and political power"

I think you said you work on a farm Robert? Bauwens in the Video also stresses the importance of decentralized production.

Somehow I still think a bit about this: Developmental Spaces Yet Another Perspective - #7 by RobertBunge

My uncles farm and also the story of the complex dependance of production machines with the farm.

While searching around a bit I found this: Machines: Global Village Construction Set | Open Source Ecology

How do you farming, at your farm?

I guess lifeitself is not involved researching this gap - as of yet?

That could be some interesting collaboration with the P2P - Foundation.

@rufuspollock Did you already cooperated with the P2P Foundation?

Social Media and Visibility
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I really like Vervaeke, and I even cited him in a recent textbook chapter I wrote on AI. I also wrote some Vervaeke articles for the Forum wiki. However, when I post about Vervaeke in the Forum, the engagement response is limited. We can only speculate on why that is. One idea is that Vervaeke is very academic, and not everyone wants to get into the weeds on cognitive science. Another idea might be that Vervaeke has a very nuanced and precise idea of the relationship between science and spirituality. Those who are more passionate about science may be put off by his treatment of spirituality. Or the other way around.