Both mention ideas for new Systems of living together.
remember this map? ( can’T find it on the new website)
So there are suggestions in the videos for System change and culture change but very little is mentioned how to connect this to the individual such that it can become a longer sustaining realationship.
Questions to ponder:
How many of the viewers/consumers of those content would be interested in the develeopmental spaces that are offered by second renaissance?
What can the second Renaissance learn from these communities?
How and where to engage with these communities? I did talk to andrewism folks a bit in their solar punk channel in discord for example.
Good questions! To get a grip on them, I just now asked AI “What become of the liminal web”. Here is just the first part of that summary:
" The “Liminal Web”—the loose online network of sensemakers, metamodernists, and systems theorists that bubbled up around podcasts and YouTube from 2015 to 2020—did not vanish, but it has largely fragmented, matured, or absorbed into broader cultural and technological subcultures"
I’ll leave it to others to opine from experience or from their own research. I personally did not get involved with any of this till about 2023. Then I spent a couple years in the fading shadow of many of the platforms your post references above, watched things fragment from a close-up seat, and ended up here as the best working forum still available that was relatively unspecialized and unfragmented. Will this place thrive? Will it draw the masses in? Remains to be seen!
I agree with some portions of what you said and disagree with others. Social Media is a war for attention. At least with the old platforms which inverted the stigmergic signaling patterns inherent to us humans.
Ah sorry I was not precise, you asked a LLM a question regarding my question and pasted the result and I diagree with portions of it. My main contention is: that it not got “absorbed but simply ignored” largely.
Thanks. The liminal web (or whatever you want to call the collective sources you cite above) were always somewhat marginal to mainstream culture. (“Liminal” and “marginal” are roughly synonymous.) When an “alternative” community goes mainstream, it stops being “alternative”. I’m reminded of this Don Henley lyric:
"I saw a deadhead sticker on a cadillac
A little voice inside my head said:
“Don’t look back, you can never look back”.
Some of the leading figures in the liminal web movement have achieved institutional success (Vervaeke comes to mind). Others are basically turning alternative movements into their own institutions (Brendan Graham Dempsey, for example). What becomes of Game B now that Jim Rutt is no longer with us remains to be seen. Anyway, the “scene” of the future remains to be spawned. Bring the new! Then we can bottle it.
You do use the term “metamodern”. Here is an AI summary of that. Pretty similar conclusion - it went mainstream.
" The metamodern scene has transitioned from a niche, avant-garde academic theory into the dominant cultural, artistic, and philosophical operating system of the mid-2020s. What began in 2010 as an observation of “informed naivety” by theorists Timotheus Vermeulen and Robin van den Akker has fully matured. It has moved beyond just describing art to reshaping political theory, digital culture, and institutional design.
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Rather than fading away, the scene split, evolved, and normalized into several key domains:"